Bret and Heather 157th DarkHorse Podcast Livestream: On Beyond Antibodies


In this 157th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

This week, we discuss antibodies.

Why is the public health messaging around immunity focused on antibodies, when there is so much more to immunity?

  • Also, the Department of Defense has finally dropped vaccine mandates for the military, and the federal government has affirmed that we are in the middle of a Covid-19 “health emergency” for the 11th consecutive time.
  • The American Academy of Pediatrics is now suggesting the remedy of drugs (at 12 years old) and surgery (at 13) for children suffering from the “disease of obesity.”
  • We’re no longer supposed to use the word field, according to both USC and Michigan’s Dept of Health and Human Services.
  • And male pufferfish make elaborate geometric designs in the sand, all for the love of female pufferfish.


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***** Mentioned in this episode: Why antibody levels do not equal “immunity”: Part 1. By Joomi Kim, January 14, 2023: Chevaisrakul et al 2023.

Hybrid and herd immunity 6 months after SARS-CoV-2 exposure among individuals from a community treatment program. Scientific Reports 13 Article number: 763

Health and Human Services’ Declarations of a Public Health Emergency:

Consider drugs and surgery early for obesity in kids, new guidelines say: “Waiting doesn’t work:

Clinical Practice Guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics:

Michigan’s Health and Human Services getting rid of the field:

Video of pufferfish in the Ryukyu islands, Japan: Kawase et al 2013.

Role of huge geometric circular structures in the reproduction of a marine pufferfish. Scientific reports, 3(1): 1-5.

00:00 Welcome fish
10:02 Sponsors
17:00 Super powers
20:50 Antibodies
45:35 Immunoglobulin and stopping transmission
55:40 Hybrid herd immunity
01:04:30 Military vaccine mandate
01:13:30 Renewal of COVID emergency
01:20:50 Obesity surgery and drug treatments
01:40:15 “Field” is banned…
01:58:10 Pufferfish
02:09:40 Wrap upFind Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.

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