Human Events Daily host Jack Posobiec spoke with Gavin Wax about the historic visit of El Salvador President Nayib Bukele to the White House and what it signaled for America’s own law-and-order priorities under President Trump. The conversation, touched on the symbolic and philosophical significance of Bukele’s leadership style that aligns with Trumps and the urgent need for strong national security in the United States.
“We’ve talked a lot about the need for President Trump to actually provide law and order in this country,” said Posobiec. “Someone that I know you’ve studied is President Bukele, who arrived at the White House yesterday. They had this really deep philosophical discussion about the purposes for incarceration and of imprisonment, and the purpose of why we have government and why government does these things.”
Posobiec pointed out the left’s current obsession with the case of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia—the MS-13-aligned Salvadoran at the center of a court battle over his deportation. “You have the Democrats going all-in on the Marilyn Manhoax, this illegal alien who is a member of MS-13, a foreign terrorist organization. They’re all in on him. But what Bukele came and said is, ‘Wait a minute. It’s not about these criminals. It’s about providing the necessary confines and space for a society—for the liberation of society from the violence of criminals. You’re looking at this completely backwards.’”
Posobiec went on to contrast the media’s emphasis on due process for Abrego Garcia with the senseless murders of American women like Laken Riley and Rachel Morin. “This guy had lots of due process,” he noted. “But you know what—he’s had a lot more due process than was provided to Laken Riley or Rachel Morin.”
Gavin Wax, former president of the New York Young Republican Club and a staunch supporter of law-and-order politics, stated, “I think yesterday was historic,” he said. “I was happy to be at the White House and saw Bukele’s arrival. Bukele’s one of the great leaders in the world. What he’s done in El Salvador is nothing short of miraculous. He took a country that was previously the murder capital of the world and almost overnight turned it into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere.”
“That doesn’t happen by accident or per chance,” Wax continued. “It happens through will, through deliberate action, and in some cases righteous indignation.”
Wax also drew attention to the broader implications of Bukele’s approach to governance and crime. “What we’re seeing unfold in the discussion is really a reinventing of the wheel. We’re rediscovering ancient wisdom as it pertains to society, civilization, and the role of the state. The purpose of law enforcement and prisons as well, and how to handle criminals and protect victims in the wider population.”
“These were common sense for centuries,” Wax added. “Every law code—whether it’s biblical law or different cultural codes of law—understood that you won’t have a civilization unless you punish the wrongdoers, punish the criminals, and protect the innocent. Anything short of that is anarchy.”
Monday’s Oval Office meeting between Trump and Bukele centered in part on the Biden-appointed judge’s attempt to compel the Trump administration to bring Abrego Garcia back to the US—a demand that was rejected by the Supreme Court in a 9-0 ruling.
Attorney General Pam Bondi addressed the issue directly, stating, “First and foremost, he was illegally in our country.” She noted that both an immigration court and an appellate court ruled that the individual was a member of MS-13. “That’s up to El Salvador if they want to return him. That’s not up to us.”
White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller held back no punches: “It was very arrogant, even for American media, to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens.” Miller reiterated that Abrego Garcia had a valid deportation order and belonged to a foreign terrorist organization.
“A district court judge tried to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and fly him back here,” Miller said. “The Supreme Court reversed that unanimously, stating clearly that neither the Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador.”
Bukele shot down the idea when ask if he planned to return the man, he replied, “How can I smuggle, how can I return him to the United States? I smuggle him into the United States? What do I do? Of course, I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous.”
Bukele went further: “We’re not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country. We just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country of the Western Hemisphere, and you want us to go back to releasing the criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world? That’s not going to happen.”
Wax concluded the segment with a warning: “The fact that the Left have wholesale embraced that sort of thinking—the idea of uplifting the criminal and protecting the criminal at the expense of the citizen or productive members of society—is shameful and ridiculous. We need more leaders like Bukele and Trump who are willing to call out the Left for this insanity.”
This Story originally came from humanevents.com